INTERVIEW WITH SEN. ALAN PETER CAYETANO ON ZTE-NBN

Q: MAY LUMABAS KAGABI NA BAGONG WITNESS SA ZTE-NBN SCANDAL...

ASC: WELL ITS ON THE VINDICATION OF THE OTHER WITNESSES WHO CAME FORWARD AND ITS ALSO A VINDICATION OF WHAT I SAID THAT THERE IS IN FACT A WITNESS OR WITNESSES THAT CAN TESTIFY DIRECTLY OR CAN GIVE DIRECT TESTIMONY AS TO THE ROLE OF THE PRESIDENT OR WHAT WAS HER PARTICIPATION ASIDE FROM APPROVING THIS PROJECT OR DELEGATING THE APPROVAL TO THE CABINET SECRETARIES I ALREADY SPOKE TO VICE GONERNOR SUPLICO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HIM FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS�FIRST OF ALL WE FEEL THE SAME WAY THE PRESIDENT CAN NOT SIMPLY GIVE A STATEMENT SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN SIMPLY TELL US GO TO COURT WITH YOUR EVIDENCE. IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE PREVIOUS WITNESSES THEY ALL GIVE TESTIMONY THEIR CREDIBILITY WERE ALL TESTED BY THE DIFFERENT SENATORS OPPOSITION MAN O ADMINISTRASYON BELIEVERS OR NON-BELIEVERS IN THE WITNESSES AND THEY SIMPLY SAID THAT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE NOW THAT THRE'S A PICTURE INSTEAD OF ANSWERING SQUARELY THE ISSUES THEY ARE NOW SIMPLY SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BRING IT TO COURT. THE PRESIDENT SHOULD GIVE A CATEGORICAL ANSWER WAS SHE THERE? DID SHE ATTEND A MEETING WITH THE ZTE OFFICIALS ANONG NAPAG-USAPAN NILA BAKIT SILA NAKIPAG-MEETING? SHOW OWES IT TO OUR PEOPLE SHE OWES IT TO OUR CONSTITUTION THAT SAGUTIN NIYA ANG MGA QUESTIONS NA ITO. NOW AS TO THE NEXT HEARING AS I STATED BEFORE WE ARE WAITING FOR WITNESSES THAT WILL GIVE SUBSTANTIAL TESTIMONY ESPECIALLY DIRECT PARTICIPATION OF THE PRESIDENT AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE WITNESSES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHY DO I SAY SOME KASI MERON PA EH. THAT'S WHY KUNG MAPAPANSIN N'YO NANAWAGAN DIN SILA NA 'YONG IBA NA MAY CONCERNS LUMABAS NA RIN. WHEN WILL WE HAVE THE HEARING? INAAYOS PA NI VICE GOVERNOR SUPLICO 'YONG IBA NILANG KAILANGAN DALHIN SA HEARING PLUS THE SECURITY OF THAT PERSON. SO WE'LL BE TALKING AGAIN PERO SABI NIYA DEFINITELY NOT THIS WEEK AND WE'LL SEE KUNG KAYA NEXT WEEK BUT DEFINITELY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AT SABI NIYA NA DESIDIDO NA MAG-TESTIFY AND THAT'S WHAT I PREVIOUSLY STATED NA MARINIG MISMO SA BIBIG NG ISANG WITNESS NA MAY DIRECT TESTIMONY KAYSA SA IDEDUCE NATIN FROM EVIDENCE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. I HOPE MA-ENCOURAGE NGA 'YONG IBANG WITNESSES DAHIL ALAM NAMIN ASIDE 'YONG SI ALIAS ALEX AY MERON PANG IBA NA MAGBIBIGAY NG TESTIMONY NA MABUBO HINDI LANG ANG KATOTOHANAN KUNDI ANG BUONG KATOTOHANAN MEANING THE PICTURE OF WHAT REALLY TRANSPIRED IN THE ZTE WILL BE REVEALED WITH THESE PEOPLE.

Q: SIR SO ANO NAMAN ANG MAE-ESTABLISH NG PICTURE HALIMBAWA SABIHIN NA NATING NANDUN NGA SIYA ANONG...IBIG SABIHIN BA NANGOMISYON NA SIYA SA DEAL...

ASC: THE PICTURE ITSELF...THE PICTURE SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN BY ITSELF BECAUSE MAY ACCOMPANYING TESTIMONY ITO REMEMBER THE WITNESS SAID NAKIPAG-MEETING ANG PRESIDENTE. THE PICTURE ESTABLISHES THAT SHE WAS THERE WELL WHY WOULD MEET WITH A SUPPLIER 5 MONTHS BEFORE BAKIT NYO ITUTUTLOY YUNG PROJECT KUNG SINABING MAY 200 MILLION NA LAGAYAN NA. SO MEANING THERE ARE MANY LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS THAT CAN BE BROUGHT FORTH AND REMEMBER THAT WITNESS HAS NOT TESTIFIED YET. SO I'LL NOT DRAW CONCLUSIONS MYSELF AT THIS TIME WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT AFTER LISTENING TO HIM THERE ARE TWO POINTS, ONE: CREDEBILITY, MANINIWALA BA TAYO, TWO: 'YONG SUBSTANCE, BUT SINCE I SAW THE PICTURES AND I HEARD PART OF THE TESTIMONY ALREADY I'LL NOT GO INTO IT. BUT I CAN SAY THAT IT IS ENOUGH TO PUT HIM ON THE STAND AND TO HEAR HIS STORY BUT I AGREE THAT IT DEPENDS KUNG ANO ANG SASABIHIN NIYA BUT RIGHT NOW VERY EVASIVE ANG PALASYO SO AS YOU SAID PICTURE LANG NAMAN YUN EH SO WHY DON'T THEY SAY NA NANDYAN NAMAN TALAGA KAMI NAG-GOLF NAMAN TALAGA KAMI NG FIRST GENTLEMAN SABIHIN NILA KUNG NAKIPAGMEETING BA O HINDI BAKIT ANG SAGOT NG MALACANANG BRING IT TO COURT.

Q: ITO BA YUNG NAKIPAGGOLF SI FG AT SI MRS. ARROYO WITH THE SHENZHEN OFFICIALS AND CHAIRMAN ABALOS IS THIS THE SAME INCIDENT IS THIS THE SAME...

ASC: I'M NOT THAT SURE THIS MAY BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE ANG SINABI NGA KAGABI AY DUN NAGKITA-KITA KAY CHAIRMAN ABALOS SA HEADQUARTERS NG ZTE SO I'LL LET THE WITNESS SPEAK FOR HIMSELF BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT TOLD US BEFORE THAT IN FACT SHE HAS MET WITH THE ZTE OFFICIALS AT ANG SINASABI NG SECRETARY OF TRADE NA SIDE TRIP LANG ANG PAGPUNTA NILA SA BUAU CHINA DAHIL MAY PUPUNTAHAN SIYANG ECONOMIC FORUM AT NAGWITNESS LANG SIYA DUN. IF YOU PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER THE PRESIDENT HAS A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO NOW THEY ARE BEING VERY EVASIVE AT PATAY MALISYA AT ANG SINASABI LANG BRING IT TO COURT. SO TAMA KAYO THERE ARE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS TO WHAT THE PICTURES PROVE AT THIS POINT BUT TOGETHER WITH TESTIMONY AND OTHER EVIDENCE THAT MAY BE BROUGHT FORTH BY THIS WITNESSES WE MAY BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE WHOLE PICTURE THEN PEOPLE WILL JUDGE FOR THEMSELVES WHO WILL THEY BELIEVE...

Q: PERO SIR ANG PRESIDENTE USUALLY NAGMI-MEETING NAMAN SA MGA BUSINESS�SA ABROAD SO ANONG MALI KUNG MAKIMEET SIYA SA MGA SUPPLIER...

ASC: ITS ALWAYS THE CONTEXT AND THE CIRCUMSTANCE UNANG-UNA HINDI ITO OFFICIAL TRIP...PINAUWI ANG MGA REPORTER...NUMBER TWO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ORDINARY BUSINESS PERSONS OR FEDERATIONS OR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE NA NIYAYAYA MO NA MAG-INVEST SA BANSA. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR OR A MULTI BILLION PESO SCANDAL WHERE YOU HAVE OTHER WITENSSES SAYING THAT KAYA NGA FROM BOT GINAWANG GOVERNEMENT-TO-GOVERNMENT AT DINICTATE YUNG SUPPLIER BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE WERE PAID BRIBES AND YUNG PREVIOUS TESTIMONY WAS THAT SECRETARY NERI ALREADY TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT MERONG BRIBES INVOLVE SA KANYA NA 200 MILLION SA KANYA PA LANG YON TUMIGIL SI SECRETARY NERI DUN SO ALL OF THAT CIRCUMSTANCES LEADS US TO SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD EXPLAIN SO KUNG TOTALLY INNOCENT YUNG PAGPUNTA NIYA HALIMBAWA GUSTO LANG NILANG MAKITA YUNG BAGO NILANG TELEPONO EDI SABIHIN NIYA SA PUBLIKO BAKIT SASABIHIN NIYA GO TO COURT...

Q: KASI AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED WALA PANG NAGSASABI NA NAKIPAG-USAP ANG PANGULO WITH THE...

ASC: WELL EXCEPT FOR VICE GOVERNOR SUPLICO AND THE WITNESS NA HUMARAP NGA�BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE WAITING FOR HIM AND THAT'S WHY I TOLD YOU TWO WEEKS AGO. BECAUSE FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM AND ASKING THEM TO COME FORWARD WE'VE BEEN ASKING THEM TO ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO JUDGE THEM AT HINDI LANG KAMI THAT'S PRECISELY WHY I SAID LAST TWO WEEKS NA MERON NA DIRECT TESTIMONY PERO HINDI NAMIN HIINTAYIN FOREVER TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME OUT, AND I THINK THEY ARE DOING THE SAME BY SAYING NA LALABAS NA SIYA PERO SANA YUNG IBA LUMABAS PA...

Q: SO MAY IBA PA...

ASC: YES...

Q: SIR HINDI NYO BA SUSUNDIN YUNG SUGGESTION NG MGA KASAMAHAN NYO NA I-EVALUATE MUNA KUHANAN MUNA NG AFFIDAVIT PARA HINDI MAGKAROON NG...

ASC: WELL TWO POINTS FIRST POINT DINISCUSS NAMIN SA COMMITTEE ON RULES YAN AT WE FOUND NA IT IS DIRECTORY OR PWEDE PERO HINDI PWEDENG GAWING MANDATORY KASI MAS MARAMING MAWAWALA SA COMMITTEE AT SA INBESTIGASYON IF WE'RE GONNA ENFORCE THAT SO THIS MORNING I'VE TALKED TO VICE GOVERNOR ROLEX SUPLICO AND ASK HIM IF WE CAN HAVE THE AFFIDAVIT BECAUSE NAPAGUSAPAN NA NAMIN BEFORE YUN ANG PROBLEMA THE PERSON WHOSE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ONCE HE COMES OUT WILL BE PUT IN DANGER IF ILALABAS NA YUNG AFFIDAVIT NIYA BECAUSE NGA MALAYO PA YUNG HEARING, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS BECAUSE INAAYOS PA YUNG SECURITY. BUT THE MERE FACT NA NILABAS NIYA YUNG PIECE OF EVIDENCE YUNG PICTURE SHOWS NA WILLING NA SIYANG HUMARAP ANG SA AKIN OF COURSE I WOULD HAVE RATHER THAT IT MAY BE A TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP OR A PRESCON PARA LAHAT KAYO MAKAPAGTANONG PERO REALLY CHOICE NG WITNESS YUN EH. SO THE FOOTAGE BY A REPORTER IS SIMILAR TO AN AFFIDAVIT IN THE SENSE NA PAGLUMABAS DITO AT BIGLANG BUMALIKTAD. UNLIKE YUNG KAY LEO SAN MIGUEL KASI WHEN SENATOR LACSON BROUGHT OUT THE EXPECTATIONS WALANG NAKA-TAPE WALANG FOOTAGE WALANG INTERVIEW WALANG AFFIDAVIT KAYA NAGULAT LAHAT TAYO NANG BUMALIKTAD BUT IN THIS WITNESS LUMABAS NAMAN SIYA BEFORE TELEVISION AT NAGPAINTERVIEW SA NEWSPAPER SO PAGLUMABAS AT BUMALIKTAD SIYA DITO MAY SUSUNDIN NA KAMI AND THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE SA HANJIN INVESTIGATION AT THE START WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THE EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE OF THE GMA 7 AT BAKIT NAG-IBA NA YUNG STORYA NG PALASYO AT NG MGA MAYOR DOON SA INTERVIEW NILA SO EVEN WITHOUT AFFIDAVITS EVEN IN COURT PAGKABUMALIKTAD ANG ISANG WITNESS PWEDENG ANG JUDGE TINGNAN AND LAMAN NG TESTIMONY AT ISIPIN KUNG BAKIT BUMALIKTAD SO STILL MAS DESIRABLE ANG MAY AFFIDAVIT BUT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES HINID KO NA PINILIT WHEN HE EXPLAINED TO ME THE SECURITY CONSEQUENCES.

Q: SIR ANO PO YUNG MEASURES PARA MA-ENCOURAGE NYO YUNG MGA WITNESSES CONSIDERRING...LIKE JUN LOZADA.

ASC: WELL JUST LIKE JUN LOZADA IN MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM HE REALLY WANTED NA YUNG PRINCIPAL NIYA SI SECRETARY NERI ANG MISMONG MAGSABI NG SASABIHIN NIYA SO JUST LIKE SOME OF THIS WITNESSES MAY LEVEL KUNG ANO YUNG ALAM NILA AT KUNG SINO YUNG MAS MATAAS NA OPISYAL SA IBA SO NAGHIHINTAYAN SILA. BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THAT ONCE NILABAS ITONG PICTURES FOR EXAMPLE OBVIOUSLY YUNG KUMUHA NG PICTURE KASAMA NILA SA CHINA. DI BA SO MEANING LUMILIIT YUNG MUNDO NILA LUMILIIT KUNG SINU-SINO SO THAT SHOULD ENCOURAGE YUNG IBA NILANG KASAMA PA NA NANDUN, DI BA SO KUNG LIMA LANG TAYO SA TRIP LAHAT TAYO KINUKUMBINSENG LUMABAS PERO YUNG ISA LUMABAS NA MAY PRESSURE DUN SA APAT. SO I GUESS HIS MESSAGE LAST NIGHT SA MGA INTERVIEWS WAS TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS IN THE SAME MANNER THAT'S WHAT MEANT TO DO WHEN I SAID NA IF THEY DON'T COME FORWARD WE'RE FORCED TO COME UP WITH SOME CONCLUSIONS BUT NOW THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL COME FORWARD WE'RE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE ELSE NA MAY ALAM DITO.

Q: SO YUNG WITNESS SIR KASAMA SA TRIP...

ASC: WELL THE PICTURES CAME FROM THERE OKAY SO LET ME STOP THERE KASI MARAMI NGA SILA...SO WHETHER HE'S THE ONE WITH THE CUSTODY OF THE PICTURE OR SIYA YUNG KUMUHA OR SIYA...OR BOSS NIYA OR WHATEVER NA GANYAN...SILA NA LANG YUNG MAGTETESTIFY NYAN...

Q: ANO BA ITO SIR OFFICIAL OR ANO...

ASC: I CAN'T SAY FOR HIS SECURITY...

Q: BUT YOU KNOW HIM...IS HE SOMEBODY YOU RECOGNIZE...

ASC: YES...I KNOW THEM...I KNOW THAT'S WHY NASABI KO NA SA INYO NA YUNG ISA MEDYO MATAAS YUNG KATUNGKULAN THEN MERON PANG MGA IBA. VICE GOVERNOR ASKED ME TO KEEP THEIR INDENTITIES ALL SECURE AND THEN SILA MAGDEDECIDE KUNG SABAY-SABAY SILA OR ISA OR KUNG KAILANGAN PA YUNG IBA REALLY ANG ATTITUDE NG MGA WITNESSES NGAYON PAGHINDI NAMAN SILA KAILANGAN NA AT KAYA NAMAN NG IBA NA HINDI NA KAILANGANG MAGCOROBORATE HUWAG NA SILANG PALABASIN VEY HONESTLY YUN ANG FEELING KASI TINITINGNAN NILA EH KUNG SI JUN LOZADA MISMO STAR WITNESS NA SA LAHAT NG NANGYAYARI SA KANYA NA MEDYO FEELING NA NAGDA-DIE DOWN MINSAN O NAPAPABAYAAN O YUNG SUPPORT NIYA YUNG PAMILYA HIRAP NA HIRAP GANUN DIN KAY MR. MADRIAGA SO NAKIKITA NG IBANG WITNESSES TO BUT THIS IS THE GROUP AND THE WITNESSES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Q: SIR...YUNG COMMITTEE REPORT...

ASC: WE WILL DELAY IT BECAUSE PRECISELY DI BA WE SAID THAT WHEN WE GET EITHER ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS AND BY THE WAY I'LL BE DISTRIBUTING THEM WE WILL JUST GIVE IT TO THE SENATORS MUNA MR. JARIUS BONDOC WILL ALSO GIVE US ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS AS TO THE PRICING SPECIFICALLY WITH THE WI-FI. SO WE'RE ACCEPTING ALL OF THIS.